@aschmitz @katwylder You can even use the bread machine for the messy / effort requiring bit (kneading), and after the first rise take the dough out of it and proceed in the traditional way (forming bread, further rising, cooking.
That's how I used my bread machine most of the time, back before it broke and I decided not to replace it.
It was convenient to cook bread in it in summer instead of using the oven, however…
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