just because you don't identify strongly with how you look doesn't mean you can't still be hot
hotness isn't some sacred trait reserved only for those people who look in the mirror and say "this is incredibly me"
anyone can be hot if they wanna
@onethousandtwentyfour While I agree, I do kind of wonder about squaring this with your "wholesome shouldn't be a descriptor, because it should be default". Sure, I guess maybe you could argue that hotness shouldn't be default, but I'd say it can apply to anyone (eye of the beholder, &c. &c.).
I guess this is my belated argument in favor of it being meaningful to describe people as wholesome. 🤷
@aschmitz i mean, i don't have a problem with saying "X is a good person" or "decent" or whatever
and saying one person is good isn't making claims about the goodness of other people, really
my problem with wholesome is that it usually feels abnormalizing, like a person is somehow different from everyone else in their wholesomeness, and sometimes exotifying or like a backhanded compliment
@aschmitz and it's usually over really basic stuff, like "this character in the webcomic actually cares somewhat about other people and isn't completely self-centred and manipulative => this character is wholesome" when like, that's the bare minimum i would expect of anyone, so it feels like lowering the bar
@aschmitz yeah tbh i think i'm complaining about a very particular segment of fandom space that glamourizes angst and goes "i need an excuse to like this character even though they don't fit my dark and traumatized self-image" and so "wholesome" is how they do that
which is like, a niche subcultural thing and not indicative of how the word is necessarily used elsewhere, lol
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